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Illustrious's Fabled Powerlevel List; 2nd one I've made here.
Topic Started: Nov 1 2011, 01:06 AM (1,470 Views)
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Multipliers
SSJ - 50x base.
ASSJ - 2x SSJ.
USSJ - 4x SSJ.
SSJ2 - 10x SSJ.
SSJ3 - 4x SSJ2.

Raditz arrives.
Raditz - 1,220
Piccolo (Weighted) - 320
Farmer - 5

Raditz confronts Goku and friends.
Goku - 334
Krillin - 220
Yamcha - 180
Chiaotzu - 140
Tien - 260
Roshi - 139
Gohan - 1
Bulma - 2
Raditz - 1,220

Raditz vs Piccolo and Goku.
Raditz - 1,220
Goku (Unweighted) - 432
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 418
Goku (Kamehameha) - 960
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon, 1st attempt) - 1,442
Gohan (Angry) - 759

Raditz and Goku die.
Gohan (Outburst) - 1,307
Raditz (Injured) - 985
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon, 2nd attempt) - 1,334

Goku makes his way to King Kai's planet.
Goku (before Snakeway) - 432
Goku (after Snakeway) - 810

Piccolo leaves Gohan to train alone in the wilderness.
Gohan (before) - 1
Gohan (after) - 320
Piccolo (before) - 320
Piccolo (after) - 936

Piccolo trains Gohan
Gohan (before) - 320
Piccolo (before) - 936
Gohan (after) - 1,020
Piccolo (after) - 2,060

Nappa and Vegeta arrive.
Nappa (Suppressed) - 4,000
Vegeta (Suppressed) - 6,000
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 2,550
Tien - 1,720
Yamcha - 1,322
Krillin - 1,550
Gohan - 1,020
Chiaotzu - 937
Saibamen - 1,220 (each).
Krillin (parted blast) - 1,790 (each).

Tien vs Nappa.
Tien - 1,720
Nappa - 4,000
Tien (Broken Arm) - 1,530
Chiaotzu (Explosion) - 2,130
Tien (Tri Canon) - 2,580

Nappa vs Krillin, Piccolo and Gohan.
Nappa - 4,000
Gohan - 1,020
Krillin - 1,550
Piccolo - 2,550
Gohan (Enraged) - 2,800

Goku arrives.
Goku - 5,000
Nappa - 4,000
Goku (Powered Up) - 8,120
Nappa (Powered Up) - 7,480
Goku (Kaioken) - 16,240
Nappa (Broken Back) - 2

Goku vs Vegeta.
Goku - 8,120
Vegeta (Powered Up) - 18,000
Goku (Kaioken) - 16,240
Goku (Kaioken x2) - 24,360
Vegeta (Gallic Gun) - 28,490
Goku (Kaioken x3/Kame) - 35,420
Vegeta (Injured) - 7,650

Vegeta turns Oozaru.
Vegeta (Oozaru) - 76,500
Goku (Injured) - 3
Gohan - 1,020
Krillin - 1,550
Yajirobe - 860
Vegeta (Severely Injured) - 4,250

Gohan turns Oozaru.
Gohan (Oozaru) - 10,200
Vegeta (Near Death) - 2

Ventures on Namek.
Gohan (post zenkai) - 1,450
Krillin - 1,550
Frieza's men - 1,000 (each).

Dodoria fights the Namekiens.
Dodoria - 21,000
Namekien Warriors - 3,000 (each).
Namekien Elders - 1,500 (each).
Gohan (Enraged) - 3,000

Vegeta kills Cui.
Vegeta (Suppressed) - 18,000
Cui - 19,000
Vegeta (Powered Up) - 24,000

Vegeta slaughters Dodoria.
Vegeta - 24,000
Dodoria - 21,000

Vegeta vs Zarbon (round 1).
Vegeta - 24,000
Zarbon - 23,000
Zarbon (Transformed) - 28,000

Krillin and Gohan visit Guru.
Gohan (after) - 14,500
Krillin (after) - 15,500

Vegeta vs Zarbon (round 2).
Vegeta (post zenkai) - 32,000
Zarbon - 23,000
Zarbon (Transformed) - 28,000
Krillin - 15,500
Gohan - 14,500
Bulma - 2

The Ginyu Force; Gohan and Krillin vs Guldo.
Gohan - 14,500
Krillin - 15,500
Guldo - 6,000
Guldo (Telekinesis) - 18,000
Vegeta - 32,000

Vegeta vs Recoome.
Vegeta (Powered Up/Blast Attack) - 36,500
Recoome - 40,000
Krillin - 15,500
Gohan - 14,500

Goku arrives.
Goku (burst of strength) - 60,000
Recoome - 40,000

Goku vs Jeice and Burter.
Goku - 60,000
Jeice - 40,000
Burter - 40,000

Goku vs Ginyu.
Ginyu - 90,000
Goku - 60,000
Ginyu (Full Power) - 120,000
Goku (Full Power and Kaioken) - 180,000

Ginyu switches with Goku.
Ginyu (In Goku) - 23,000
Goku (In Ginyu) - 9,500
Krillin (More Power Unlocked) - 22,000
Gohan (More Power Unlocked) - 21,000

Vegeta vs Jeice.
Vegeta (post zenkai) - 410,000
Jeice - 40,000

Vegeta vs Ginyu (In Goku).
Ginyu (In Goku/Powers Unlocked) - 90,000
Krillin - 22,000
Gohan - 21,000
Vegeta - 410,000

Vegeta vs Ginyu.
Vegeta - 410,000
Ginyu - 120,000
Gohan - 21,000
Krillin - 22,000

Resting up for Frieza.
Vegeta - 410,000
Gohan (Post Zenkai/Rest) - 380,000
Krillin (Power Fully Unlocked) - 140,000

Vegeta vs Frieza (Form 1).
Frieza (First Form) - 420,000
Vegeta - 410,000
Gohan - 380,000
Krillin - 140,000
Frieza (First Form; Powered Up) - 530,000
Vegeta (Powered Up) - 525,000

Frieza transforms.
Frieza (Form 2) - 1,060,000
Vegeta - 525,000
Gohan (Enraged) - 820,000
Krillin - 140,000

Piccolo arrives.
Piccolo (Weighted) - 930,000
Frieza (Form 2) - 1,060,000
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 1,450,000
Frieza (Form 2; Full Power) - 1,400,000

Frieza transforms again.
Frieza (Form 3) - 2,200,000
Gohan (Angry Masenko) - 2,800,000
Krillin - 140,000
Vegeta (Post Zenkai) - 2,500,000
Piccolo - 1,450,000

Frieza's last transformation.
Frieza (Final Form/3%) - 4,000,000
Vegeta - 2,500,000
Gohan - 380,000
Krillin - 140,000

Goku vs Frieza.
Goku (Suppressed) - 2,500,000
Frieza (Final Form/3%) - 4,000,000
Goku (Unsuppressed) - 3,000,000
Frieza (50% Power) - 60,000,000
Goku (Kaioken x10) - 30,000,000
Goku (Kaioken x20) - 60,000,000
Goku (Spirit Bomb) - 75,000,000

Goku transforms.
Goku (SSJ) - 150,000,000
Frieza (50%; Damaged) - 55,000,000

SSJ Goku vs Frieza.
Goku (SSJ) - 150,000,000
Frieza (100%; Damaged) - 110,000,000

1 year later.
Piccolo - 2,800,000
Vegeta - 3,000,000
Gohan - 350,000
Krillin - 180,000
Yamcha - 40,000
Tien - 220,000
Chiaotzu - 25,000

Frieza arrives on Earth.
Frieza (Cyborg; 50%) - 75,000,000
King Cold - 70,000,000
Trunks (Suppressed) - 5
Trunks (Powered Up) - 3,500,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 175,000,000

Goku makes it back to Earth.
Goku - 4,000,000
Vegeta - 3,000,000
Trunks - 3,500,000
Piccolo - 2,800,000
Gohan - 350,000
Krillin - 180,000
Yamcha - 50,000
Tien - 220,000
Chiaotzu - 25,000
Goku (SSJ) - 200,000,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 175,000,000

3 years later.
Goku - 5,000,000
Gohan - 4,000,000
Piccolo (Weighted) - 80,000,000
Tien - 450,000
Yamcha - 120,000
Krillin - 250,000
Android #19 - 110,000,000
Android #20 - 120,000,000

Goku vs #19.
Goku (SSJ) - 250,000,000
Android #19 - 110,000,000
Goku (SSJ; Heart Failure) - 90,000,000
Android #19 (Goku's Kamehameha Absorbed) - 120,000,000
Android #19 (Goku's Energy Absorbed) - 125,000,000

Vegeta vs #19.
Vegeta - 5,500,000
Android #19 - 125,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ) - 275,000,000
Android #19 (Vegeta's Energy Absorbed) - 150,000,000
Vegeta (Post Energy Drain) - 250,000,000

Android #20 vs Piccolo.
Android #20 (Post Stealing Piccolo's Energy) - 140,000,000
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 160,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ) - 275,000,000
Gohan - 4,000,000

Android #20 releases #17 and #18.
Android #20 - 140,000,000
Android #17 - 600,000,000
Android #18 - 550,000,000
Trunks - 4,500,000
Vegeta - 5,500,000
Krillin - 250,000
Tien - 450,000
Gohan - 4,000,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 225,000,000

Vegeta vs #18.
Vegeta (SSJ) - 275,000,000
Android #18 (Holding Back) - 270,000,000
Android #17 - 600,000,000
Android #16 - 1,200,000,000
Android #18 (All Out) - 550,000,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 225,000,000
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 160,000,000
Tien - 450,000
Gohan - 4,000,000

Piccolo merges with Kami.
Piccolo (Before) - 80,000,000
Piccolo (After) - 300,000,000

Piccolo vs Imperfect Cell.
Imperfect Cell - 280,000,000
Piccolo (Weighted) - 300,000,000
Krillin - 250,000
Trunks - 4,500,000
Vegeta - 5,500,000

Piccolo vs #17.
Android #17 - 600,000,000
Android #18 - 550,000,000
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 600,000,000
Android #16 - 1,200,000,000

Imperfect Cell arrives.
Imperfect Cell (Humans Absorbed) - 1,200,000,000
Android #17 - 600,000,000
Piccolo - 600,000,000
Android #16 - 1,200,000,000

Cell absorbs #17.
Semi-Perfect Cell - 1,800,000,000
Android #16 - 1,200,000,000
Android #18 - 550,000,000

Vegeta emerges from the ROSAT.
Vegeta - 30,000,000
Trunks - 29,000,000
Goku - 5,000,000
Gohan - 4,000,000
Piccolo - 300,000,000

Vegeta vs Semi-Perfect Cell.
Vegeta (SSJ) - 1,500,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell - 1,800,000,000
Vegeta (ASSJ) - 3,000,000,000
Trunks - 29,000,000

Cell becomes Perfect.
Perfect Cell (Heavily Suppressed) - 2,950,000,000
Vegeta (ASSJ) - 3,000,000,000
Trunks (ASSJ) - 2,900,000,000
Perfect Cell (Powered Up a little) - 5,000,000,000

Cell vs Trunks.
Perfect Cell - 5,000,000,000
Trunks (USSJ) - 5,800,000,000
Perfect Cell (Buff) - 10,000,000,000

Goku and Gohan emerge from the ROSAT.
Goku (MSSJ/25%) - 2,250,000,000
Gohan (MSSJ/25%) - 2,500,000,000
Trunks - 29,000,000
Vegeta - 30,000,000
Goku (MSSJ/50%) - 4,500,000,000

Vegeta goes back into the ROSAT.
Vegeta (Base; Before) - 30,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ; Before) - 1,500,000,000
Vegeta (Base; After) - 100,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ; After) - 5,000,000,000

Trunks goes back into the ROSAT.
Trunks (Base; Before) - 29,000,000
Trunks (SSJ; Before) - 1,450,000,000
Trunks (Base; After) - 90,000,000
Trunks (SSJ; After) - 4,500,000,000

Piccolo goes into the ROSAT.
Piccolo (Before; Weighted) - 300,000,000
Piccolo (Before; Unweighted) - 600,000,000
Piccolo (After; Weighted) - 500,000,000
Piccolo (After; Unweighted) - 1,000,000,000

The Cell Games.
Gohan (MSSJ/25%) - 2,500,000,000
Goku (MSSJ/50%) - 4,500,000,000
Perfect Cell - 5,000,000,000
Piccolo - 500,000,000
Vegeta - 100,000,000
Trunks - 90,000,000
Krillin - 250,000
Tien - 450,000
Yamcha - 120,000
Goku (MSSJ/100%) - 9,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Powered Up) - 10,000,000,000

Perfect Cell vs Gohan.
Perfect Cell - 10,000,000,000
Gohan (MSSJ/100%) - 10,000,000,000

Cell releases Cell Jrs.
Cell Jrs - 6,000,000,000 (each).
Vegeta (SSJ) - 5,000,000,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 4,500,000,000
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 1,000,000,000
Goku (MSSJ/50%) - 4,500,000,000

Gohan goes SSJ2.
Gohan (SSJ2) - 100,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Full Power) - 20,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (Buff) - 50,000,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell - 1,800,000,000

Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell.
Gohan (SSJ2) - 100,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell - 95,000,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ) - 5,000,000,000
Gohan - 200,000,000

7 years later.
Gohan - 180,000,000
Goten - 25,000,000
Trunks - 26,000,000
Vegeta - 220,000,000
Videl - 65
Gohan (MSSJ) - 9,000,000,000
Piccolo - 600,000,000
Android #18 - 550,000,000
Krillin - 200,000

The World Tournament.
Goten - 25,000,000
Trunks - 26,000,000
Goten (SSJ) - 1,250,000,000
Trunks (SSJ) - 1,300,000,000
Goku - 400,000,000
Vegeta - 220,000,000
Gohan - 180,000,000

Videl vs Spopovitch.
Videl - 65
Spopovitch (Suppressed) - 125
Yamu - 13,000

Gohan goes SSJ2.
Gohan - 180,000,000
Gohan (MSSJ) - 9,000,000,000
Gohan (SSJ2) - 90,000,000,000
Kibito - 1,500,000,000

(Will finish later).
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Multipliers
SSJ - 50x base.
ASSJ - 1.2x SSJ.
USSJ - 1.8x SSJ.

That's going to cause some problems with Vegeta < Cell < Trunks.
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Raditz arrives.
Raditz - 1,200
Piccolo (Weighted) - 320
Farmer - 5

Raditz confronts Goku and friends.
Goku - 334
Krillin - 220
Yamcha - 180
Chiaotzu - 140
Tien - 260
Roshi - 139
Gohan - 1
Bulma - 2
Raditz - 1,200

Raditz vs Piccolo and Goku.
Raditz - 1,200
Goku (Unweighted) - 432
Piccolo (Unweighted) - 418
Goku (Kamehameha) - 960
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon, 1st attempt) - 1,442
Gohan (Angry) - 759

Raditz and Goku die.
Gohan (Outburst) - 1,307
Raditz (Injured) - 985
Piccolo (Special Beam Cannon, 2nd attempt) - 1,334

Raditz should be stronger than 1200.
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Piccolo (Unweighted) - 2,550
Tien - 2,230

I wouldn't put them that close. Piccolo started out nearly 2x stronger before they trained, and although Piccolo trained Gohan, he did spend most of his time on his own.
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Saibamen - 1,220 (each).

Raditz should be stronger so if anything, you should switch their values.
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Tien (Tri Canon) - 3,260

Gohan's 2800 Masenko was the strongest power showcased on the field from the good guys. I personally put Tenshinhan's Kikoho at 2600.
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Nov 1 2011, 01:25 AM
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Piccolo (Unweighted) - 2,550
Tien - 2,230

Both Tenshinhan and Piccolo had a similar effect on the Saibamen with their elbow/punch. That range is completely reasonable since they are suggested to be fairly close.

@Masenko/Kikoho, Piccolo remarks after Nappa takes Tenshinhan's Kikoho;

Piccolo: “He-he’s a damn monster…It…it can’t be…Is h-he immortal…!?”

It's actually very possible that the Kikoho was actually around Nappa's level thus above Gohan's masenko but his durability/not surfaced Ki kept him from being hurt in the same way Recoome wasn't hurt by Vegeta/Freeza's 2nd restriction wasn't hurt by Gohan.
Nappa was even somewhat scared by it implying he was close to receiving damage;

Nappa: “Phew…You really gave me a scare…!”
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Dude, speak your opinion :/

btw you have 7,000 posts now.
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Both Tenshinhan and Piccolo had a similar effect on the Saibamen with their elbow/punch. That range is completely reasonable since they are suggested to be fairly close.

They were both suppressed at that point, though, weren't they? I think 2500 and 1800 for them are pretty accurate personally.
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@Masenko/Kikoho, Piccolo remarks after Nappa takes Tenshinhan's Kikoho;

Piccolo: “He-he’s a damn monster…It…it can’t be…Is h-he immortal…!?”

It's actually very possible that the Kikoho was actually around Nappa's level thus above Gohan's masenko but his durability/not surfaced Ki kept him from being hurt in the same way Recoome wasn't hurt by Vegeta/Freeza's 2nd restriction wasn't hurt by Gohan.
Nappa was even somewhat scared by it implying he was close to receiving damage;

Nappa: “Phew…You really gave me a scare…!”

I guess it's opinion then. I feel that Gohan's Masenko did more damage than Tenshinhan's Kikoho, even though Nappa was taken by surprise with the Kikoho and was prepared for the Masenko, and that's what I go off of. Nobody reliable expressed amazement over Gohan's Masenko (aside from Vegeta and Krillin) because they were all dead.

Kuririn: “Is that G…Goku’s son…!? Wh…what an incredible ki…!!!”

Sounds pretty similar to what Piccolo said about Tenshinhan's Kikoho in my opinion.
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I think you have the Kaio-Ken x3 Kamehameha/Gallic Gun and Vegeta/Zarbon (round 2) too far. Otherwise, good list.

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Nov 1 2011, 01:46 AM
Both Tenshinhan and Piccolo had a similar effect on the Saibamen with their elbow/punch. That range is completely reasonable since they are suggested to be fairly close.

@Masenko/Kikoho, Piccolo remarks after Nappa takes Tenshinhan's Kikoho;

Piccolo: “He-he’s a damn monster…It…it can’t be…Is h-he immortal…!?”

It's actually very possible that the Kikoho was actually around Nappa's level thus above Gohan's masenko but his durability/not surfaced Ki kept him from being hurt in the same way Recoome wasn't hurt by Vegeta/Freeza's 2nd restriction wasn't hurt by Gohan.
Nappa was even somewhat scared by it implying he was close to receiving damage;

Nappa: “Phew…You really gave me a scare…!”
Tenshinhan and Piccolo having the same result against a Saibaman isn't evidence that they're close in power. Tenshinhan was so far above the Saibaman that there wouldn't be any difference in result after that point.

Also, Nappa couldn't sense power levels, so he had no idea how to react to it (that and it was a surprise attack that came out of nowhere). It damaged his armour and gave him a couple of scrapes, but otherwise he was completely unharmed. He tried to tank the Kienzan, so we can assume he's not a brilliant measure of the strength of attacks. I'd put the Kikoho between Piccolo and the Masenko.

Also, the gap between Reacoom and Vegeta was about the same as the gap between Tenshinhan and a Saibaman.
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Tenshinhan and Piccolo having the same result against a Saibaman isn't evidence that they're close in power. Tenshinhan was so far above the Saibaman that there wouldn't be any difference in result after that point.

Also, Nappa couldn't sense power levels, so he had no idea how to react to it (that and it was a surprise attack that came out of nowhere). It damaged his armour and gave him a couple of scrapes, but otherwise he was completely unharmed. He tried to tank the Kienzan, so we can assume he's not a brilliant measure of the strength of attacks. I'd put the Kikoho between Piccolo and the Masenko.

Also, the gap between Reacoom and Vegeta was about the same as the gap between Tenshinhan and a Saibaman.
But if there was that big a difference between Tenshinhan and Piccolo then Piccolo could have defeated the Saibamen in a faaar more impressive manner.

Nappa doesn't need to be able to sense Ki to know how powerful an attack is. It caused some scrapes and if it wasn't for his durability/unsurfaced Ki, he could have been damaged badly. Also Nappa actually managed to set-up some sort of a defence so 'it was a surprise attack' excuse is overstated.

Btw the Kienzan isn't an amplification of Ki. It is just Ki shaped into a sharp, flat, circular shape. For example if Kid Goku could have used a Kienzan he would still be able to cut Freeza with it (if he stood still that is).
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Couple of things

Wasn't it Yajirobe stated to be over 900 and Chiaotzu stated to be the weakest of the 7 Z fighters to the point Tien told him to stay back?

Didn't Tien not finish off the Saibamen, instead merely knocked it down? And didn't Vegeta kill him for not taking the fight seriously?

Do you really think Tien put more power into the blast that Krillin put out but was scattered into 5 parts?
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Wasn't it Yajirobe stated to be over 900 and Chiaotzu stated to be the weakest of the 7 Z fighters to the point Tien told him to stay back?

I wouldn't trust those numbers and I doubt many other people do. Yajirobe didn't know how to even manipulate Ki. Logically his pl should be lower than Chaozu's at this point considering Yajirobe probably did no training after training at God's place.

Tenshinhan did say to Chaozu that he should stay behind but it doesn't mean he was weaker than Yajirobe.

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Didn't Tien not finish off the Saibamen, instead merely knocked it down? And didn't Vegeta kill him for not taking the fight seriously?

Tenshinhan didn't even fire a Ki blast at the Saibamen so no he didn't finish it off.
Vegeta was just making excuses to explain how the Saibamen was beaten so easily.

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Do you really think Tien put more power into the blast that Krillin put out but was scattered into 5 parts?


Before Krillin's blast split up? No. After? Waaaa~y more.
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Yajirobe was naturally strong though. He was on par with Goku who trained like a mad man at one point. it just came natural to him and he did weight train like the others at Gods place. Chiaotzu was the weakest of the bunch heading into the training with Kami. He just had far less potential even with being a hard worker and ki manipulation. Yajirobe was lazy but it doesn't take away from the fact he was a samurai and blessed with more natural potential and power. He just became domesticated with Korin later on.

The thing is Vegeta knows when they are holding back. He trained with their kind to get to be who he is. If he says it held back or didn't take the earthling serious, then he probably did. If Tien and Yamcha switched opponents, there is nothing saying a Wolf Fang Fist wouldn't drop him or that the other motivated one would not latch on to Tien since they didn't know they would be willing to blow themselves up.

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Nov 2 2011, 04:34 AM
But if there was that big a difference between Tenshinhan and Piccolo then Piccolo could have defeated the Saibamen in a faaar more impressive manner.

Nappa doesn't need to be able to sense Ki to know how powerful an attack is. It caused some scrapes and if it wasn't for his durability/unsurfaced Ki, he could have been damaged badly. Also Nappa actually managed to set-up some sort of a defence so 'it was a surprise attack' excuse is overstated.

Btw the Kienzan isn't an amplification of Ki. It is just Ki shaped into a sharp, flat, circular shape. For example if Kid Goku could have used a Kienzan he would still be able to cut Freeza with it (if he stood still that is).
Not the point. A 1.875x difference is going to be the same as a 1.5x difference. The gap between Vegeta and Cui was much smaller than Piccolo and the Saibaman and Vegeta made Cui explode by pointing at him. Besides, Tenshinhan seemed pretty impressed with how strong Piccolo had gotten and was glad they were on the same team - do you disagree with his assessment?

Nappa does need to be able to sense Chi to know how powerful an attack is. He laughed the Kikoho off after tanking it - there is nothing to suggest he could have been damaged badly, just that he was shocked by a surprise attack. Vegeta was far more concerned by Gohan's Masenko, which Nappa put effort into deflecting and complemented. Plus, the Masenko set the scouter off, but the Kikoho didn't even raise a blip - just a look of mild concern from Vegeta, as opposed to an exclamation of shock. Gohan's full-power Masenko was stronger than Tenshinhan's half-dead one-handed Kikoho.

Also, the Kienzan's composition wasn't the point, Nappa's reaction to it was. He grinned and got ready to take it head-on before Vegeta told him not to. His assessment of an opponent's attack isn't worth a damn.

As for Yajirobe and Chaozu, I'm starting to think that I've been underestimating the former and overestimating the latter. Yajirobe at the start of Dragon Ball Z was most likely between Krillin and Tenshinhan, so even if he only quadrupled his power he'd still be scraping 1000, and Tenshinhan (who must have known he was nothing himself compared to the Saiyans as soon as they landed) wanted himChaozu to stay behind.
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Vegeta wasn't wearing a scouter when Ten did his Kikoho, I thought?

But I agree with your assessment, as well as Yaji and Chaozu.
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Nov 2 2011, 12:07 PM
Vegeta wasn't wearing a scouter when Ten did his Kikoho, I thought?
No. But we never saw him turn it off :p
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Interesting. So I guess 2800 is the threshold for making a scouter blip?
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